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PostSubject: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 3:02 am

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21 December 2012


1. Introduction

One of the time periods of the Long Count of the Maya is the baktun, which lasts 144,000 days. In some texts of the Maya a new period of the Long Count is said to begin after 13 baktuns (exactly 1,872,000 days). Such a new period in the Long Count of the Maya will probably begin on 21 December 2012, when the Long Count returns to 0.0.0.0.0 (see the Historical Calendar Page), and some people expect to see special things in the sky or on Earth then that would not otherwise be expected.

The interest for 21 December 2012 seems to have been spurred by publications by John Major Jenkins, who (if I understand correctly) is of the opinion that the Maya designed their Long Count in order that the coming special date 0.0.0.0.0 corresponds to a southern solstice (when the winter begins in the northern hemisphere) when the Sun stands in the Milky Way in the sky. Mr. Jenkins reached this opinion based on extensive research of Maya texts and other traces.

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Over 2,000 years ago the early Maya formulated a profound galactic cosmology. They saw that the sun, on the winter solstice, was slowly moving toward the heart of the galaxy. Naturally enough, with their uncorrupted intelligence intact, they suspected that the world would go through a transformation when the solar and the galactic planes aligned. They devised their Long Count calendar to target when the cosmic alignment would maximize, and that time is AD 2012. We are lucky that the brilliant skywatchers who devised the 2012 calendar left carved monuments for us to decode, and that they have survived the decay of centuries, so that we can know exactly what they prophesied and believed about 2012.

Incredibly, at the early Maya site of Izapa in southern Mexico, the galactic cosmology and a profound spiritual teaching are preserved. Izapa speaks to us of the Galactic Alignment in 2012 as a transformative nexus in time, a still-point turnabout, inviting us to reconnect with our cosmic heart and eternal source. With the Divine Wisdom.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 3:11 am

Persistent Misconceptions About the Maya Calendar and 2012:

1. 2012 is a New Age creation.

Wrong. I was surprised when more than one person asked me this. I believe this derives from the claims, or happily received projections, of certain New Age calendar makers, and the media attention around Harmonic Convergence in 1987. Though 2012 is an authentic Mayan artifact, the association in the public mind between it and Harmonic Convergence celebrities is hard to unravel, to the detriment of serious research.

2. The Maya tzolkin calendar is hopelessly confused and no reliable day-count can be found.

Misinformation; a bit of obfuscation projected primarily by Dreamspell followers. I’ve addressed this since 1992 in various formats, including my book Tzolkin, on Yari Jeada’s website, and most recently in a piece called Following Dreamspell. The fact remains that the surviving day-count among the Quiché and other Mayan groups is equivalent to the Classic Period day-count; it represents the unbroken survival of a day-count correlation that is at least 2,600 years old (see Edmonson’s Book of the Year, 1988).

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3. The Maya disappeared (and/or re-ascended into the stars).

Not really. After being asked this question by too many interviewers, I am resigned that no amount of clarification will dispel this misunderstanding, propagated insistently in sensationalist documentaries. There are six million Maya living today in Chiapas, Yucatan, and Guatemala—possible more than lived at any given moment in the Classic Period! The question really relates to the disintegration of centralized Mayan authority in the Peten, which was caused by greed and famine.

There is an interesting, and probably more accurate, way to understand this cherished notion. The Mayan people were shamans, their culture was shamanistic, and they may have opened a clear conduit into a transcendental wisdom that certainly appears otherworldly to the mundane preoccupations of the modern consciousness. In a sense, Mayan civilization was animated by regular contact with a multidimensional vision. If the shamanistic techniques or the permission to engage in those techniques was lost, then what the Maya were really about did, in a sense, retract into the transcendent realm that resides at the heart of all manifestation. This interpretation provides a higher-dimensional metaphysical framework for understanding the more literal adumbration that persists in popular consciousness, resulting in a fragmented shadow-understanding. Modern consciousness is so program with literalness, and the need for tangible frameworks, that the more subtle yet essential root causes are submerged. For example, to think of "myths" as falsehoods, or to think of the "underworld" as being under the ocean, is poetically compelling to the modern mind, but insists that the more subtle dimensions of human experience can be mapped onto the physical domain. This results in a delusion that is equivalent to the impossibility of talking about the ineffable. The absurdity of this situation should be readily apparent, and that such frameworks of interpretation pass for conventional wisdom is a pathetic testimony to a degraded modern consciousness that is fixated upon a literalist materialism.

4. The Long Count was invented in 3114 B.C.

Wrong. Zecharia Sitchin promulgated this extremely odd conclusion in his Art Bell interview of late 2000, seriously calling into question his analytical abilities which are so lauded. The same error was stated on the book jacket of The Mayan Prophecies. It doesn’t take very much reading of the literature on 2012 to dispel this fallacy. The Long Count originated around the second or first century B.C.—the 3114 B.C. “beginning” date was a back calculation.

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5. The Galactic Alignment is related to our solar system’s 280,000,000-year orbit around the Galactic Center.

Wrong! Recently, a well-known radio personality summed up my book with this perspective, and I gasped for breath. It is true that our solar system orbits the galactic hub, and this orbital period is hundreds of millions of years in length. However, the 26,000-year precessional cycle shifts the apparent position of the sun, on the December solstice, backward through the signs of the zodiac. This leads to the observation (as viewed from the earth) that the December solstice sun is moving “around” the Galactic Center, coming into alignment with it once every 26,000 years. This is the galactic alignment. Precessional shifting is not equivalent to orbital period. Related to this misconception is the description by Arguelles (in The Mayan Factor) that we will soon be passing through (or leaving, depending on where you read it) a “galactic beam” or “photon belt”, and this impending situation is related closely to a “galactic synchronization” to occur in 2012. Brian Swimme’s oh-so scientific interpretation of these concepts, as we find them in the preface to Arguelles’s book, takes the perspective of the 280,000,000-year cycle and discusses different “density waves” that astrophysicists have proposed exist in different sectors of the galaxy. Note, however, that even though the context of Swimme’s discussion is Arguelles’s terminology and concepts as found in The Mayan Factor, the precession-defined Galactic Alignment (of solstice meridan and Galactic equator) is not even mentioned! This, I believe, is the root of a great deal that is misunderstood about 2012 and discussions of the Galactic Alignment, because an accurate understanding of what the Galactic Alignment is has been submerged under completely unrelated concepts, ones that have nothing to do with the Mayan understanding of a Galactic Alignment in 2012.

6. The Gregorian calendar is 3 or 5 years in error, and this throws the Mayan end-date into error.

(My exploration and clarification of this idea is in the context of a response to an e-mail, which follows)

Now for the question of the Gregorian calendar and 2012 being a mistaken calculation that needs to be adjusted several years. Your question has come up often, and I welcome the opportunity to try and clarify how I understand the apparent dilemma. The bottom line, as I hope to convey briefly here, is that no adjustment is needed. Or, if we do make an adjustment, we are merely creating a secondary system that has its own internal consistency. We don't actually gain or lose 5 years, and so there's really no imperative need.

As you note, historical reconstructions have shown that Jesus was actually born in either 4 b.c. or 6 b.c. Thus, since the Gregorian calendar is based on starting with the year of Jesus's birth, then we need an adjustment. This could certainly be argued, and then the year formerly known as 2012 would be called either 2015 or 2017 (making a 3 or 5 year adjustment, because there's no "zero" year). But notice that no actual shifting of real time occurs; it is simply the arbitrary overlay of a new system being used. 2017 would then be equal to 2012 in the "pre-adjusted" system. A "corrected" year of 2017 would correspond to 2012 in the "old system". You would have to count five more years to get to the equivalent 2012 year. (There would be five more years that would be counted.)

It is really important to understand where the December 21, 2012 date comes from—as you note it comes from the interdisciplinary work of three scholars. They worked with dates recorded on long count monuments C-14 dated between 300 a.d. and 900 a.d. The correlation of the Mayan calendar and Gregorian calendars is based upon this range, and gives us December 21, 2012 as equivalent to 13.0.0.0.0. In other words, the data comes from a context after 4 b.c. so there is no need to correct for a 3 or 5 year gap of "uncounted" time. More to the point, if for example the Long Count date 9.16.4.4.1 was determined to be equal to May 7, 755 a.d. in the Gregorian calendar, a predictable number of days would have to elapse before 13.0.0.0.0 was reached. That number of days brings us to December 21, 2012. If we had implemented an adjusted system to correlate our own year counting with the actual birth year of Jesus, the same number of days would have to elapse but the date would be called, not December 21, 2012, but December 21, 2017. This seems to be a very roundabout and belabored way of clarifying something that is basically not really an issue. If a researcher proposes that the end-date is "really" in 2017, or some other year, and the argument is based upon an adjusted system to account for the true birth year of Jesus, then that adjusted year must be designated as the "adjusted year count" and if we looked at how it correlates with the old "pre-adjusted" Gregorian calendar, it would correlate with the year 2012. It's not that time is skipped or missing—the entire frame of counting is simply shifted 5 years.

With this clarification, I don't believe that "the Mayan chronology is entirely self-referent and the Christian dating system is also self-referent, as well as in error, so it is somewhat arbitrary when anyone tries to equate the two to one another." It's not that the Christian dating method is "in error" in the sense that it tracks the passage of time inaccurately, with mounting error as the years pass, it's only that its foundation date could feasibly be adjusted to generate a new dating framework that would run alongside the previous system with complete point-by-point consistency. The only issue is being clear on what system is used, and then the correlation of these two Gregorian systems with the Mayan calendar would be preserved with equal consistency. Case in point as to how such an adjustment is feasible while preserving an accurate correlation, is the Julian-to-Gregorian shift of 1582, in which 10 days were actually skipped! There is thus the pre-1582 Julian system and the more accurate post-1582 Gregorian calendar. We might thus say that all pre-1582 dates are "in error" but the calendric convention used has its own internal consistency, so for the purposes of chronology, it works perfectly well. It would be meaningless to back calculate the Gregorian system into pre-1582 historical contexts; although some historians might do this it can result in confusion if the system used is not stated clearly. The correlation of different calendars, such as Mayan with Gregorian, Chinese with Judaic, Islamic with Cherokee, can be a complicated endeavor, but correlative formulas do exist and do not by any means have arbitrary results.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 7:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 7:16 am

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I think it is time to dispel some of the myths surrounding one of the most misunderstood events to ever exist - what the meaning of the end of the Mayan calendar could represent and exactly what is going to happen on that fated day in December of 2012. I have this theory...lol, have you got a millenia to hear it? restpc The short version is that the world will still be here and we will still be on it breathing. It's time to consider that there might just be other possibilities that aren't dooms day related.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 11:04 am

Fantastic GothiKat! I sometimes think that if there was no "doomsday" to worry about, what would the Worriers do? Our world is a vast Unknown, why devote time to worrying about it ending, explore it & ourselves & let us evolve to what we have the potential to be, instead of dreaming of everything ending, let humanity, as a whole, live the dream of what we are meant to be.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 7:19 pm



“For millennia, mankind had wandered in the darkness…but now, as had been prophesied, there was a change coming. After hurtling blindly through history, mankind has reached a crossroads. This moment had been predicted long ago, prophesied by the ancient texts, by the primeval calendars, and even by the stars themselves. The date was specific, its arrival imminent. It would be preceded by a brilliant explosion of knowledge…a flash of clarity to illuminate the darkness and give mankind a final chance to veer away from the abyss and take the path of wisdom.”


—Dan Brown, The Lost Symbol


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The purpose of the Maya coming to this planet was very specific: to leave behind a definite set of clues and information about the nature and purpose of our planet at this particular time in the solar system and in the galactic field.
—Jose Arguelles

We believe it is now possible to achieve a society where people would be able to live longer, healthier, and more meaningful productive lives. In such a society, the measure of success would be based upon the fulfillment of one’s individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property, and power. Although many of the concepts presented here may appear as unattainable goals, all of the ideas are based upon known scientific principles.
—Jacque Fresco

The purpose of this conference is to explore a radically different, more optimistic interpretation of the Mayan prophecy – as referring to the end of the world as we have known it: a world dominated by unbridled violence and insatiable greed, egotistic hierarchy of values, corrupted institutions and corporations, and irreconcilable conflicts between organized religions. Instead of predicting a physical destruction of the material world, the Mayan prophecy might refer to death and rebirth and a mass inner transformation of humanity.
—Stanislav Grof

I do see a new birth of human consciousness underway. And when these things happen they can sometimes happen very fast. So I cannot rule out at all the possibility that all of us are going to be looking at the mystery and meaning of life in a very different way very soon and that date 21st. of December 2012 sticks in my mind as one that is really worth consideration.
—Graham Hancock

There is a revolution underway in how we understand ancient Maya metaphysics, astronomy, and other traditions related to 2012. 2012 is about transformation and renewal on a global scale.
—John Major Jenkins

To not speak of this knowledge would be a betrayal of their (Hopi elders) sworn duty to the Earth and Great Spirit. Without a shadow of a doubt, restoring the truth about our Earth and Purification Time cannot serve any wrong purpose. To not speak of them now would be a "brevatio manus Domini" ­ a foreshortening of the hand of God.
—John Kimmey

Congratulations—you are among a select Group of souls who won the lottery to be here, on this planet, at this time! The prize not only ensures you a front row seat but also the unique opportunity to co-create the future of the human race.
—Christine Page

As we complete this apocalyptic passage, we will conceive ourselves, increasingly, as fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness and sentient aspects of a planetary ecology—the Gaian mind—that is continually changed by our actions, and even our thoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 7:22 pm


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“Although time (and not too much of it) will tell, I suspect that José will be honored as one of the most important thinkers in human history.”
—Daniel Pinchbeck

José Argüelles is the man who first introduced the date December 21, 2012 into mass consciousness with The Mayan Factor. The initiator of the Harmonic Convergence global peace meditation of 1987, Argüelles is also the founder of the annual Whole Earth Festival (1970) in California, and one of the originators of the Earth Day concept.
Following a life-changing vision at age 14, atop the Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacan, Mexico, Arguelles began a lifelong journey to discover the underlying mathematics and prophecies associated with the Mayan calendar. By uncovering the Mayan codes, Arguelles discovered the telepathic nature of time. He also realized that the human species is living in artificial time, which is disrupting its planetary environment and destroying its civilization.

To expand his vision of world peace, Arguelles co-founded of the Planet Art Network (PAN) and the World Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement. He is presently Director of the Galactic Research Institute of the Foundation for the Law of Time, and most recently convened the First Bioregional Noosphere Congresses held at numerous sites world-wide. Through the Noosphere II research project he is exploring synchronic time and states of consciousness, co-producing the seven voume series, Cosmic History Chronicles, and promoting the vision of Earth as a work of art.

THE MAYAN PURPOSE AND THE GALACTIC BEAM

The purpose of the Maya coming to this planet was very specific: to leave behind a definite set of clues and information about the nature and purpose of our planet at this particular time in the solar system and in the galactic field. The Maya came here at a very specific time and made their observations. They left behind observations about the relationship of our planet to at least seven inner planets and information about the nature of the galactic beam our planet is now passing through, and which it has been passing through since 3113 BC. Once they made calibrations about the relationship of our planet to this galactic beam and to the other planets and to the sun, their job was done.

One of the mysteries of the Maya has to do with their calendar, or what has been interpreted as their calendar. If the classic Maya didn’t begin building their temples and cities until AD 100-300, why were they using a precise calendar with an initiation point equivalent to August 13, 3113 BC? This calendar is usually referred to as the “Great Cycle,” and runs from 3113 BC to AD 2012. The question is, Why did they have a calendar that begins in 3113 BC, when they do not seem to have really begun to flourish as a civilization until the early centuries of the present (last) millennium?

When I assumed perhaps the Maya were originally from outside of the solar system and from another portion of the galaxy, I also looked at the actual mathematical system that was being used to define their calendar. It was often assumed that the Maya invented the calendar to keep track of agriculture and planting seasons. I went back and assumed that the mathematical system existed first, and was then adapted to a terrestrial calendar. As I looked at the mathematics, I was struck by the amazing quality of harmonic numbers in the calendar. The calendar was actually measuring some type of harmonic wave, some type of large wave or beam that had particular cycles of fluctuation and amazing harmonic properties. It quickly struck me that the Great Cycle isn’t so much a measurement of time as it is the measurement of this planet’s passage through a beam that is 5,125 years wide, or 5,125 years in diameter. Naturally, it’s difficult to be aware that we are passing through a beam that is being generated from the galactic core and mediated through the sun, the local star. The Earth is passing through it, as are all the other planets, but it seems to have particular meaning for the Earth.

Astrophysicists, however know of such beams, calling them density waves. These waves sweep through the galaxy influencing major stages of galactic evolution such as the birth of stars. With this in mind, I further understood that this beam - wave harmonic of history - was a type of synchronization beam whose purpose was to accelerate and synchronize the planetary DNA such, that by the end of the cycle, humanity would realize it was a unified planetary organism.

In 2012, we will be at a place on the galactic spiral, where only maybe one turn up on this particular beam, where we were in 3113 BC, and what that means is that there’s an evolutionary jump. The cycle that I’ve been talking about, the Great Cycle, is only a subfactor of another larger cycle and all cycles—they go up (macro), and they go down (micro). The larger cycle that we’re dealing with is an approximately 26,000-year cycle that also ends in 2012. If you go back 26,000 years, this cycle roughly encompasses the evolutionary stage Homo sapiens. The peak of the last Ice Age was in 24,000 BC. This is when what we call “modern humanity” emerged. So, this 26,000-year cycle actually encompasses five Great Cycles. We’re in the fifth and last of a set of Great Cycles that began in 24,000 BC. It’s on this basis that we’re looking at 2012 as being a very, very critical juncture. It’s what I refer to as “galactic synchronization,” and it also is a major evolutionary shift. The next evolutionary shift will occur in 2012 - and that shift, a change in frequency, will take us directly into the noosphere.

There are other dimensions of reality, and there are more evolved stages of being and intelligence than ours. The universe is benign and compassionate. No one’s out to destroy us. UFO activity has increased since we entered a critical pollution stage, which followed the introduction of radioactive waste into the environment in 1945. It’s been since that point that the modern phenomenon of UFOs has been with us. There is definitely a relationship between the Mayan factor and the UFO phenomenon, and I think that we can anticipate that the UFO activity will intensify. We must understand and realize that we are dealing with galactic civilization. That realization will facilitate a return to our highest being, to our own receivers opening up, and the information of the Mayan factor, will be information easily accessible to everybody.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeSat Sep 04, 2010 9:12 pm

I love this discussion! The Mayans based their calendar on the position of the planets and were very astronomically oriented. I think that is the big clue to the true meaning of the alleged end date of their calendar. And what is a calendar anyway? A record of time. If time itself changed or ceased to exist, what need would there be for a calendar or to continue a record? Wink What if the Mayans simply did not know where the planets would be after the end of the cycle? This would heavily influence their calendar. These are just some of the thoughts I have about this unsolved mystery.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeWed Sep 08, 2010 4:45 pm

The global doomsday predictions should be kept away, but there sure is going to be chaos and "adjustments". We have hurt Mother Earth for so long and it is pay back time, when She adjusts herself.


The Solar System is going through a cosmic energy channel and Mother Earth is fast approaching to cross this energy stream. There will surely be shakes and eruptions which would be natural for Her to adjust her balance.

This would be more like the "wobbling" effect of the vehicle tyre as we speed. Since we have managed to demolish more than enough mountains and hills (which acts as a balancing factor) and have managed to fill more than the share of lakes and rivers and ponds and seas (again a balancing factor), there will be major upheaval for sure. Many would perish, much would be demolished naturally, but to minimize the effect project love to the planet. those who can wisely use the power of love and peace, shall not only be safe, but also would be propelled to a new awareness dimension.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeThu Sep 09, 2010 3:13 pm

I read a book many years ago called 'Catastrophobia', which explains quite alot about how we humans believe in an upcoming event (2012) due to major catastrophies that have occured in the very distant and not so distant past (atlantis, lemuria, hitler etc) and the events are seeded into our DNA, making us believe a major earth catastophy is coming soon. The Mayan calendar ends at the northern hemispheres winter solstice, which many believe is the date of a new major catastrophy for Earth.

The end of the calandar merely heralds the beginning of real change in psyche for all, not the total destruction of life as we know it on one single day - 21/12/2010. It is a date, that if you are pure of mind, body and soul, you will speak your truth and stop hiding behind a facade of spirituality and ego combined, and take action in voice or body or both to bring the change through, uniting with brothers and sisters, becoming a reckoning force. If you can't do that, 21/12/2012 will become nothing but another day, and humans will concoct another story.


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hnd I agree with Nuelma's last sentence with my whole soul!! hnd
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PostSubject: Re: 2012   2012 Icon_minitimeMon Nov 08, 2010 10:32 am

Complete Article here --> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mayan-calendars-2012-doomsday-prophecy-wrong/story?id=11926347

The much-hyped "prediction" that, according to the ancient Mayan calendar, the world will end on Dec. 21, 2012, may be based on a miscalculation.

According to recent research, the mythological date of the "end of days" may be off by 50 to 100 years.

To convert the ancient Mayan calendar to the Gregorian (or modern) calendar, scholars use a numerical value (called the GMT). But Gerardo Aldana, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, says the data supporting the widely-adopted conversion factor may be invalid.

In a chapter in the book "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World," Aldana casts doubt on the accuracy of the Mayan calendar correlation, saying that the 2012 prophecy as well as other historical dates may be off.
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